after our opening prayer we are going to go “around the horn” (“NEXT”) and learn how our other “Tappers” talking points are.
We had 9 people join our T.O.T. meeting for the month of Feb. (Discussion #56). Our next discussion will be the 28th of March 2023. Our topic posts are shown in the tally:
Spiritual Growth 
Theology of Tap topic (#56) is:
Develop at least ONE plan or idea of how Good Shephard could use our “white privilege” (not personably comfortable using this phrase) to open “our” fireside doors for others.
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Is the Y still going to allow voting in the building?
What’s the deal with Becca’s closet?
forn these “marketing” phases are we competing with the Y?
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Discussion #55: Give an elevator talk about why you are coming/or going to church?
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What would cause the parameters of your own spirit to change?
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I’m positive that customer satisfaction plays a HUGE roll. (From a marketing standpoint!)
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This is why I garden; from the book clubs November reading “The Roots of my Obsession” by Thomas Cooper “my chapter”
Had a family garden at birth. Started planting seeds for lettuce, carrots, and corn by 1970. Both parents grew up on a farm. So eating from the garden seemed to be natural for the family. The garden soon had tomatoes, potatoes, and corn. We had difficulty with carrots because of the clay soil. Growing up your garden needed to be in tip top shape (and it usually was). When I left home for the military (after college) the garden started to “slip” a little. In 1991 I had a traumatic brain injury that brought me back to Rockford.
Having irregular movements (from Brain Injury) and was encourage to garden…so I did! Thoughts from the Neurologist & therapist were that gardening will help “calm you down”. It might have helped some, but was still fascinated with the biology of a seed becoming a plant. This led me to grow roses. I’ve heard woman like flowers…I’m single..Soooo? . This influence led me to become a Master Gardener and working at the City’s Rose Garden.
Being a Master Gardener, a rose bed (Red Ribbon Rose shrub) was assigned to me. In fact, it’s the first bed out of 70+ rose beds in the garden. I think I was assigned this bed because of my disabilities and accessibility issues (thanks Mary). Anyway, this gives me excellent opportunities to interact with people “walking/viewing” the roses (like how to prune) and answer general gardening questions. This helps calms me down😊. Helping people garden gives me an outstanding feeling, it’s just like people commenting of viewing my rose shrubs from the street as they drive by our house. People say “Your a good gardener”, but my response from the movie Tin Cup: “A blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while”.
For 2022, still having irregular movements, looking for “something” that might help my nervous system. This led me to a Japanese Garden, that’s about 2 miles away from our house. In the past few decades I have only visited the garden once or twice.
Going tech now: I’m thinking that the soothing feeling I’m receiving from hearing the bubbling water (in the garden) is from an estimated 86 billion neurons in my nervous system. In my earlier years I was a Hard Rock guitarist (AC/DC), that used a distortion box. This distortion box gave you the hard rock sound (irregular guitar signal sound). I’m thinking maybe my neurotransmitters (controls neurons) are being distorted somehow? Need to find the neuron controls?
Have tried a couple meds. for a few months to control the neurons, but didn’t like the side effects. Currently I enjoy sitting in a garden by a stream of running water while practicing tai-chi/yoga poses. Gardens relate to nature, and nature helps me control my inner self.
Reasons to share this:
1. Talking points for my MG bookclub
2. U of I Extension office
3. Share with my VA Whole Health Team and Primary Care Physician my current status, and that gardening is GOOD for the mind! (Also to help other Vets).
4. North American Japanese Garden Association
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Define your own spirit:
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Physically, the only thing I can think about is your neurons/neurotransmitters in your body/brain.
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After completing a slide show or why “do I garden”, this prompted me to write a small synopsis of why I go to church. Originally the slide show was for garden clubs/groups who are looking for a speaker (I have been asked to do this, but humbly declined). Being a Master Gardener (and a Christian) I should be able to share (like evangelism), I thought it would be I useful idea to document some “talking points” that has kept me attached to Good Shepherd.
1. Family (was baptized at Good Shepherd in 1967)
a. Faith (joyful living)
b. How to live ones life (with good/bad/& evil people) still, ongoing issues
c. Church budgeting needs
2. People (good) Just naming a few
a. Teacher (high school) and Jolly Gentiles
b. Outdoorsman friend
c. Family fishing friend
d. My personal fishing guide
e. A person who got me swimming at the Knights club
f. 1st grade teacher (45 venial playing “who do you say that I am”)
g. Friends from around the West side of Rockford (Sunday School)
3. College/Military
a. Wasn’t that active at Marquette (Catholic School) in dorms.
b. As a leader in the military, I ensured the separation of church and state (always supporting “doing the right thing”).
c. Goes back (above) to 1b…how do you treat others?
4. Personal accident
a. A prayer was said for we after my accident (was in a coma for 3 months, in three different states, and in hospital for 364 days.
b. Very grateful for the church remembering me and the family during this time.
c. Still recovering from my injuries, but I think I’m on the right path in the recovering process. Maybe be an example for others?
5. Statistical/history calculations of life
a. I like math/statistics (though, not very good at) and graphs, understand that they can be used as a marketing tool (both for good and bad….sample size)
b. I think, from James Kennedy’s book, that he thinks the earth is 10^23 years old. I think this is a infinite number?….so what does this mean?
Why do I go to church:
Bottom line: Be kind to others and your spirit will grow in you! Remember Others (sometimes that’s tough to do!).
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Discussion #54
What’s faith in a secular world?
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In accordance with Microsoft Bing: Secular faith is the commitment to spend our finite lives in a certain way despite the risk of failure and the certainty of death.
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Secularization: Definition and Examples – ThoughtCo
from: https://www.thoughtco.com/secularization-definition-3026575
Secularization is a cultural transition in which religious values are gradually replaced with nonreligious values. In the process, religious figureheads such as church leaders lose their authority and influence over society.
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Ideas to strengthen your faith are:
https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/6-ways-to-strengthen-your-faith-in-a-secular-world.aspx
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Copied from a Religious News Post
(RNS) — As many as a third of Americans now claim no religious affiliation, and British sociologist Stephen Bullivant has some ideas about why.
In his new book, “Nonverts: The Making of Ex-Christian America,” due this week from Oxford University Press, Bullivant reflects in often highly entertaining fashion about the trend lines. Although it’s full of statistics, “Nonverts” remains a lively read for ordinary people — a rare feat in a sea of dry data-driven books.
As a researcher, Bullivant wanted to know why Americans, once considered the exception to the secularization that has happened in Europe and elsewhere, are suddenly losing their religion.
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Discussion #53 (November 2022)
The war in Ukraine, from our public news, has been evil. Are topic for the month of November is to correlate any actions the Russian have taken against Ukraine to any reading in the NIV (New International Version) Bible. Purpose: see if the lessons that God taught us years ago are being followed. Asking for a no more than a 5-sentence paragraph of your findings. Remember the oil/gas for Europe (and US), grain, human life.
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Let’s look at: Matthew 24:5-8 “For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.” Is this the end?
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Discussion #52 (25 October)
Give a down and dirty talk (synopsis) about Job. Riches to Rags and Back to Riches. Give a documented explanation of what Job has taught us as we follow Gods journey.
5 Important Things to Know about the Story of Job (from crosswalks)
1. Job Suffered while Innocent
2. Job Questioned God
3. Job’s Loved Ones Didn’t Help
4. Job Was Restored
5. Job Kept His Faith
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review: https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/bible-study/things-to-know-about-the-story-of-job.html
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from the link above: There is no indication of the author within the book itself, and Job’s death is mentioned in chapter 42, the last chapter of the book. There is speculation amongst the scholarly community that Moses wrote the book, but there is no conclusive evidence.
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Consider teaching the six lessons from the book of Job.
1. God does not tempt us but he does test. This lesson comes from 1 Peter 1:7. These (meaning trials) have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith – of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though fire refined by fire – may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Your proven faith is of great value to God!
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My favorite verse from Job is 19:25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last he will stand upon the earth, and after my skin has been thus destroyed, then in my flesh I shall see God .. I believe it says it all!
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Why is the book of Job so popular among everyday Christians?
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As the official spiritual growth guy, Job is one of my favorite books. Why? you ask: We all have some type of difficulty (or trial) in our lives, and the book of Job informs me to “do what I did”. Don’t blame others.
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Notes:
Job 10.25.2022
I. Job was a fine man with family blameless ad turns away from evil
II. Satan came to test Jobs faith Does God fear you for nothing
III. Satan gave God a challenge of hurting Job while not hurtimg Job
IV. The Lord has given, and the Lord has taken away
V. Satan says, “skin for skin” (sore of skin from heal to toes)
VI. His three friends came to be with him for 7 days
VII. Why is light given to those in victory (4:23)
VIII. His friends think he was sinning
IX. The hungry eat their harvest
X. Humans are born to trouble
XI. The poor has hope (5:27)
XII. Job thinks his complaint I Just
XIII. Teach me and I will be silent
XIV. Days are full of emptiness
XV. One of his friends tell Job to repent
XVI. God will not reject a blameless person
XVII. How can a mortal be just with God? (9:2)
XVIII. God passes me, but I don’t see him (9:11)
XIX. The earth is given into the hands of the wicked (11:24) says Job
XX. Job wonders why he is being destroyed (10:2)
XXI. Another friend thinks Job should be punished
XXII. Does God have limits?
XXIII. A stupid person will get understanding (11:12)
XXIV. Job thinks he is a laughingstock to his friends (12:4)
XXV. Has the hand of the Lord done this (12:10)
XXVI. If God tears down, nothing can be rebuilt (13:14)
XXVII. Job wants to talk with God!
XXVIII. Job wants to know his sin (13:23)
XXIX. Talk of trees vs. humans a drink of water the tree might sprout (14:9)
XXX. And mourn only for themselves (14:22)
XXXI. Job reaffirms his innocence (16)
XXXII. God has worn me out (16:7)
XXXIII. Show no mercy (16:13)
XXXIV. Job prays for relief (17)
XXXV. Another friend says God punishes the wicked (18)
XXXVI. I know my redeemer lives (19)
XXXVII. God has taken everything away (servant, friends, & wife)
XXXVIII. Be afraid of the sword (judgment) (19:29)
XXXIX. Wickedness receives just retribution (20)
XL. The wicked go unpunished (21)
XLI. Job says “look at me”
XLII. Others have no problem
XLIII. People tell God “leave us alone” (21:14).
XLIV. Another “friend say Job wickedness great (22)
XLV. Job replies to his friend is that his complaint is bitter (23)
XLVI. Job complains of violence on earth (24)
XLVII. Talk of the “light”
XLVIII. Bildad asks how can a mortal be righteous before God? (25)
XLIX. Job replies: Gods Majesty is unsearchable (26)
L. Job keeps his integrity (27:5)
LI. Where is wisdom found (28)
LII. Mortals do not know where (wisdom) is (28:13)
LIII. Wisdom can’t be bought with perils (28:L15-*)
LIV. Wisdom is hidden from the living (28:21)
LV. God knows where it’s at (28:23)
LVI. Fear of the Lord is wisdom and depart from evil is understanding (28:28)***
LVII. When I look for good evil came (30:26)
LVIII. Make a covenant with his eyes? (31:1???
LIX. Job was in fear of calamity of God
LX. For a mortal, the breath of the spirit makes for understanding (32:8)
LXI. His friend says God is greatest than any mortal (33:12)
LXII. Does god speak to us in a dream?
LXIII. Be silent and I will teach you wisdom (33:33)
LXIV. In accordance with your deeds, he will repay (34:11)
LXV. His friend talk about God
LXVI. God is mighty, gives inflicted people their rights
LXVII. God talks to Job about the creation of the earth, where is the dwelling of light? (38-39)
LXVIII. Anyone who argues with god must respond
LXIX. The Behemoth was one of the first acts of God
LXX. Job is humbled and satisfied (Did Job see him)
LXXI. Gods was pissed off at these three friends
LXXII. When Job prayed for his friends, he then received twice as he had before the test. He lived 140 years.
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Discuss2ion #51 (meeting the 27th of September)
How did the breaking of the churches window affect the minds of the church’s members?
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Why was the church vandalized
1. It seemed fun
2. A Challenge
3. Why was the “upper level” damaged?
4. Maybe a payback against the Y? some student(s)
What motivated the vandals?
1. They were looking for something fun to do
2. They did not break into the church
3. Did not understand the cost and emotional distress
What damage has been done to the church
1. Some church members feel violated
2. It’s a difficult feeling to help regrow the church
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Discussion #50:
How is the Webb telescope going to influence theology?
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The Webb telescope might give us a new view of creation if we are able to see (as my Google Search indicates) back to possibly “100 million years after the Big Bang when the first stars and galaxies started to form.”
Photos from the Webb telescope will substantiate the awesomeness of God as we realize the more we learn, the more there is left to know!
As God challenged Job “Can you direct the constellations through the seasons or guide the bear with her cubs across the heavens? Do you know the laws of the universe? Can you use them to regulate the earth?” Job 38:32-33
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Thanks for the input!
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Discussion #49 (6 people in attendance)
Will discuss the “peace” (as discussed in the sermon by Pastor Paul the 3rd of July). Like how do you define peace?
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When you pass the peace at church…what are you really doing?
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We are expressing our intent for our other ember to find some sort of calm state.
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From the WWW, reviewing the bible dictionaries, it notes that peace is “completion”?
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Let’s define peace:
Peace
Peace is a concept of societal friendship and harmony in the absence of hostility and violence. In a social sense, peace is commonly used to mean a lack of conflict and freedom from fear of violence b…
Data: Wikipedia
Wikipedia text under CC-BY-SA license
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discussion #48
Will discuss the “demons” (as discussed in the sermon the 19th of June) that are influencing violence and shenanigans in today’s society.
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https://www.ptsem.edu/news/constructive-theology
Princeton Seminary
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What about the mental health of the person who gunned down 18 children in Texas today 5/24? More issues to discuss!
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Is God still going to love him with this disorder?
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What does to book of Ephesians say about forgiveness?
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Discussion #47
Bible’s relationship with mental health
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The Bible does not specifically refer to the topic of mental health, however, it does speak a lot about a person’s emotions, their mind, their soul, and their heart. Mental health is an extremely important topic that all people need to be familiar with today. (MS Bing)
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Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. ~ Psalm 23:4
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So does your faith make you well?
Luke 11:24
“When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Evil-Spirits?msclkid=508f3332c63f11ec9de7d3768b6a224a
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Do you think lust is an evil spirit??
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from the beginning is Exodus:
Exodus 20:14. 14 “You shall not commit adultery. Is this a steppingstone to wellness?
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Can we define what an evil spirit is and where does it come from?
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Psalm 34:18
18 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit
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What does crushed in the spirit mean?
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Psalm 146:8
Verse Concepts
The Lord opens the eyes of the blind;
The Lord raises up those who are bowed down;
The Lord loves the righteous;
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Blindness,-Healings
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Are we looking at being spiritually blind??
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Is this motivational or what?
Luke 4:18
Verse Concepts
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set free those who are oppressed,
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Blindness,-Healings
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What does this mean?
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Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?”
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Mark 2:17 “On hearing this, Jesus told them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
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This sparks the thought: does mental illness come from sin?
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Or, is this mental illness a test?
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10. Proverbs 13:10 “By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom.”
source: https://biblereasons.com/
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5. Ecclesiastes 9:3 “This is an evil in all that is done under the sun: that one thing happens to all. Truly the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead.”
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Romans 8:22 “We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.”
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Does this mean we are going to live with pain…? it’s just natural? I’m personally dealing with releasing the stress in your synthetic nervous system. I don’t know how to do this correctly, and probably no one has a 100% cure (there is always some variable). By following the different paths available maybe calm will come to the synthetic nervous system? These paths are what God provides us.
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From the web:
What does God say about mental health issues?
Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Textbook response.
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This might stir up some input:
as the message for the day was from Psalm 23
A psalm of David.
1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,[a]
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me………..
What stands out to me is the beginning of verse 3…he refreshes my soul.
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Unlike other general physical illnesses, mental illnesses are related to problems that start in the brain. The brain is an organ. Just like any other organs in our body, it can experience changes (healing or injury) based on life experiences like stress, trauma, lack of sleep, and nutrition.
Is mental illness physical or mental? – MHA Screening
links:
screening.mhanational.org/content/mental-illness-physical-or-mental/
screening.mhanational.org/content/mental-illness-physical-or-mental/
how does this relate to the bible?
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Romans 5:12 “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned. Is this talking about the pain of sin? (which leads to death?)
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Romans 7:24 “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.”….So do we need to be recued from our bodies? What does this really mean?
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Discussion #46
What was Jesus doing after the resurrection (time on earth)
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Also Check Out! After the Resurrection, there were 40 days between when Jesus rose and when he ascended. This is the order of events according to the Gospels. (Google)
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What does the number 40 represent in the Bible?
The symbolism of 40 in the Bible generally symbolizes a period of testing, trial and then, finally, triumph. Through hardships lasting 40 days or years, we endure to become more spiritually aware of our need for God. (MS Bing)
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In all, Jesus is recorded as appearing 10 times to his disciples in his resurrected body. After Jesus rose from the dead, he appeared to his disciples on numerous occasions. This he did not just on a single day, but on several days between his resurrection and ascension into Heaven. (Bing)
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Note from the SGG for TOZ discussion #46
Have been a member since 1967, have been through baptism, Sunday school, confirmation, house of feloi, bible studies, church council, and have never seriously looked at the series of ascensions (Is this an ELCA issue?). Nowadays, it seems as though you need a second by second “spreadsheet” depicting the status of the body of Jesus as he is ascending. My thought is that after three days, isn’t that the Apostles creed?,…..he ascended into heaven (the creed doesn’t give us any time constants). Then, is going to heaven only have only one entry and one exit door? I think Jesus appeared after his resurrection (came back from heaven) to show his disciples kindness and to continue sewing the good news seed. Further thinking tells me the time for ascension doesn’t really teach us much besides following our faith. Though, it is a great talking point for TOZ discussion #46! I’m asking for a rebuttal.
Scribbled 4.9.22 @ 19:55
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In all, Jesus is recorded as appearing 10 times to his disciples in his resurrected body. After Jesus rose from the dead, he appeared to his disciples on numerous occasions. This he did not just on a single day, but on several days between his resurrection and ascension into Heaven. (Bing)
What do you think?
1. Why has it been documented as 40 days?
2. Why 10 times?
3. In your opinion, what was he teaching us?
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Why 40?
Other Instances of Its Significance
• In the bible the number 40 has been mentioned 146 times.
• The bible was written by 40 different people.
• The Holy Place of the Temple Sanctuary was 40 cubits long.
• After coming back from the dead Jesus Christ stayed for 40 days.
• Abdon, the Eleventh Judge of Israel had 40 sons.
• Eli was a Judge of Israel for 40 years.
Please pick more!
Source [Bing]
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Discussiom #45
Discuss some “talking points” of the Wisdom and Foolishness (April fools) of King Solomon. Let break this down to two post: (1) Foolishness and (2) Wisdom.
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(1) foolishness talking points
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4. How many wives did Solomon have? Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubine. This can be found in 1 King 11:3 where we read that Solomon “had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines”. Why so many??
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6. For his wisdom turned himself and his people away from God. (as a Christain….that’s foolish)
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8. At first King Solomon followed God’s instructions, but over time he began trusting only himself and not God.
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11. 1 Kings 11. King Solomon made alliances with foreign nations through marriage. The wives of Solomon brought their false gods and idolatry with them. Solomon’s heart was turned from God through his disobedience.
https://www.sherilynrgrant.com/2020/03/07/83-the-foolishness-of-king-solomon/
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16. With Solomon’s faith compromised, he started building “high places” or worship centers for the false gods of the Egyptians, Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians and the Hittites.
source: https://www.davidleebrown-christianauthor.com/post/2016/07/15/the-sins-of-solomon
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17. He focused his mind on the accumulation of stuff.
source: https://www.davidleebrown-christianauthor.com/post/2016/07/15/the-sins-of-solomon
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18. Allowed the separation of Israel into two weaker and more vulnerable nations.
source: https://www.davidleebrown-christianauthor.com/post/2016/07/15/the-sins-of-solomon
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19. Solomon was foolish in selfishness.
Click to access EN_199709_07.pdf
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20. Solomon was foolish in compromise. Basically, Solomon was foolish in disobeying
God.
source: Click to access EN_199709_07.pdf
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(2) wisdom talking points
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1. Solomon was the third king over Israel.
https://www.learnreligions.com/king-solomon-wisest-man-who-ever-lived-701168
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2. Solomon ruled with wisdom over Israel for 40 years, securing stability through treaties with foreign powers.
https://www.learnreligions.com/king-solomon-wisest-man-who-ever-lived-701168
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3. Solomon is the author of Proverbs
read://https_bibleask.org/
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5. Wrote the book of Ecclesiastes.
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7. The Queen of Sheba traveled 1,200 miles to confirm the stories of his wisdom and dignity (1 Kings 10).
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9. Solomon ruled with wisdom over Israel for 40 years, securing stability through treaties with foreign powers.
Source: https://www.learnreligions.com/king-solomon-wisest-man-who-ever-lived-701168
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10. Solomon is associated with the peak “golden age” of the independent Kingdom of Israel. He is considered a source of judicial and religious wisdom.
Wikipedia · Text under CC-BY-SA license
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12. In 1 Kings he sacrificed to God, and God later appeared to him in a dream, asking what Solomon wanted from God. Solomon asked for wisdom. (Bing)
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13. Wrote the book songs of Solomon.
https://www.learnreligions.com/king-solomon-wisest-man-who-ever-lived-701168
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14. The Odes of Solomon is a collection of 42 odes attributed to Solomon.
from Wikipedia
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15. Generated the:
The Earliest Christian Hymnbook: The Odes of Solomon
Some are obviously Christian, others perhaps Jewish. Yet, the beauty of all the poems is a tribute to the depth of spirituality in early communities of Christians, some of whom were perhaps also Jews or converted Jews. (Google)
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Discussion #44
How are you going to be judged in Heaven? If you can use scripture for reference, GREAT!
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Saint Peter has the keys for Heaven…he might be the judge too!
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john 3:16&version=NIV
16 For God so loved. ( A) the world that he gave. ( B) his one and only Son, ( C) that whoever believes. ( D) in him shall not perish but have eternal life
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how is this belief thing work? does someone check?
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how is this belief judged? (or is it?)
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In Heaven after the fall of Babylon there was a white horse. Its rider was truth and justice. It’s mission: he judges and makes war (Rev. 19:11).
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From the internet
37 Best Bible Verses About Judging Others – Inspiring Scripture Qu…
http://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/
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What do you think about people who think they can “game” their way into Heaven?
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So, what do you think this means? Luke 6:31-36
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. Who initiates this love?
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From Psalms 7: Judge me according to my righteousness (7:8).
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Matthew 7:1 states that you shouldn’t judge
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Discussion 43B: for 1/25/2022
List what you would like to see take place in 2022.
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I would like to see most people receive all the vaccination available for the “virus” so that we are not “dog-in” the world’s economic growth.
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Omicron virus was reported in California from a person who was vaccinated (had no buster) coming from South Africa. (CNN news)
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I like the idea of saving the earth, especially with EVs. Have read that mining for the special material needed for batteries could cause even more problems. Would like to see some type of “global” policy concerning EVs.
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Talking points:
(Sending this note a week early to generate some thoughts)
For our discussion the 25th of January I would like to set up a little “structure”.
Starting with your favorite bible verse
1. In the Gospel of Matthew 16:19, Jesus says to Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
2. Wish list is open season.
Will have the virus somewhat controlled
(If you would like to share) optional…..
A verse that currently affects everyone in the world (is a thinker or what?!! And justify your thoughts with an example. Ref: In Revelations 16 there is talk about the 7 angels and the seven bowels of plagues. The seventh bowel was poured into the air. You think, “what could you pour into the air”? We can discuss my thoughts that evening.
Referance: 5. Wisdom vs. Folly | Bible.org
THE CONNECTION BETWEEN FOLLY AND PLEASURE
Ecc 2:12 Next, I decided to consider wisdom, as well as foolish behavior and ideas.
Solomon desires to compare and contrast the two paths that he had just taken. The two paths that had just been taken were those of wisdom and pleasure seeking, and yet in this verse Solomon says that he is going to compare wisdom and foolish behavior.
Is pleasure seeking synonymous with foolish behavior? Ecclesiastes 7:4 links these two ideas and is most clearly seen in the Updated New American Standard (NAU) translation …
NAU1 Ecc 7:4 The mind of the wise is in the house of mourning, While the mind of fools is in the house of pleasure.
Note: This is not a debate, it’s all about your own observations
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Discussion #43A: for 1/25/2022
List a favorite Bible verse(s):
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1 Peter 1:16: yet do it with gentleness and reverence. Keep your conscious clear….
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Ecclesiastics 3:2: I like, as a master gardener, (3:2) documents planting. We live because of plants!
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As a human we need plants for both food and oxygen.
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Especially Arbor Day coffee from the rain forest. Buy a bag, donate a tree!
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Ecclesiastics: The lover of money will not be satisfied with more money (5:11).
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Just always need a little bit more!
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Psalms: Be happy and it shall go well for you (128:2).
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Psalm 138:7: Even though I walk in the midst of trouble; you preserve me against the wrath of my enemies.
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Songs of Solomon
Don’t awaken love until it’s ready (2:7)
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Revelation 2:7: To everyone who conquers the Spirit (listening to the Word) He will give permission to eat from the tree of life.
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Revelation 11:18: ….and for destroying those who destroy the earth.
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then, who’s safe?
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Discussion #42
What does the Bible say about Stewardship? According to scripture, God created Earth for mankind and we are now stewards of His creation. This means it is our responsibility to look after and take care of this world. We should accept this responsibility and appreciate God’s gift of creation for being our home. Our stewardship of creation involves the caretaking of the environment and animals as well as our families and communities.
From: https://www.bing.com/search?q=bible+stewardship+of+the+earth&form=ANNTH1&refig=1ebdf34b2fdc45bcb9a0e9d29685a3b1&sp=1&qs=HS&pq=bible+stew&sk=PRES1&sc=8-10&cvid=1ebdf34b2fdc45bcb9a0e9d29685a3b1
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What Does the Bible Say About Stewardship Of The Earth?
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Unfortunately, I think that many Christians believe that the verses in Genesis where God says “rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground” means that man has the right to do anything he wants to!
However, when Jesus feeds the 5,000 and the 3,000, there are many basketfuls left over and the disciples are directed to gather them up so that nothing is wasted. I think we see here how the Lord wants us to manage resources. We are to use them, but not abuse them.
I think the Lord is heartbroken over the demise of the earth, but in a way, it may be something that has been predicted. I think it may be another sign that we are in the end times, and that Jesus’ return is growing closer.
Just my opinions!!! I apologize for responding in the wrong place before!
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Wh0 do you think the “destroyers” are? could it be the oil fields?
Revelation 11:18
English Standard Version
18 The nations raged,
but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,
and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints,
and those who fear your name,
both small and great,
and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”
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Are oil fields really bad? God made oil for a reason. We need to be good stewards when harvesting oil!
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Psalm 119:64 reads: The earth is full of your (the Lords) steadfast love.
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From my bible reading I would like to share a verse from Psalm 119. The earth is full of your (Gods) steadfast love (119:64). What do you think this means? Is destroying a field housing pollinators, or having “accidental” leaking at old field compliment Gods love?
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All of the resources God has given surely show his love for us. I don’t believe we are responding correctly to his love if we are wasting resources and polluting the earth unnecessarily.
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Readings from Ecclesiastes 1-2:. The earth remains forever (1:4). There is nothing new under the sun??? It’s an unhappy business that God has given to human beings to be busy with (1:13) If you increase wisdom sorrow will also increase (1:18). Pleasure was tested with wine, laughter, having great pleasure, cattle, getting great things and the test showed it was like chasing after wind. Look out for self-indulgence. Was there any please in your toil? Wisdom exceeds folly as light excels darkness (2:13). Is vanity a great evil? (2:21). Our wisdom says using EVs could be good, but people like using the internal combustion engine. So, what gives? Is this a test from God??
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For my daily bible reading I turned to Habakkuk; it reads: The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord (2:14). So, does this mean we should not dig?
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What does the Virus (2021) do to stewardship?
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Unfortunately, I think that many Christians believe that the verses in Genesis where God says “rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground” means that man has the right to do anything he wants to!
However, when Jesus feeds the 5,000 and the 3,000, there are many basketfuls left over and the disciples are directed to gather them up so that nothing is wasted. I think we see here how the Lord wants us to manage resources. We are to use them, but not abuse them.
I think the Lord is heartbroken over the demise of the earth, but in a way, it may be something that has been predicted. I think it may be another sign that we are in the end times, and that Jesus’ return is growing closer.
Just my opinions!!!
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Discussion #41: What is the difference between Heaven and Hell? is it good vs. evil?
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“the everlasting happiness with God that we call heaven”
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Hell is “a spiritual realm of evil and suffering”,
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From: https://biblereasons.com/what-is-hell/
“Sheol”: Place of the Dead in the Old Testament
In the Old Testament “hell” is not specifically mentioned in name, but the word used in reference to the after life is “Sheol,” which is used to refer to the dwelling place of people after death.[5] In the Old Testament, “Sheol” is not just for the wicked, but it is also for those who lived righteously.[6]
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From: M. Webster
Definition of evil
1a: morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse
b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation
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From: Microsoft BING
good
[ɡo͝od]
ADJECTIVE
to be desired or approved of.
“a good quality of life” · [more]
having the qualities required for a particular role.
“the schools here are good”
synonyms:
fine · of high quality · of a high standard · quality · superior · [more]
possessing or displaying moral virtue.
“I’ve met many good people who made me feel ashamed of my own shortcomings” · [more]
synonyms:
virtuous · righteous · moral · morally correct · ethical · upright · [more]
giving pleasure; enjoyable or satisfying.
“the streets fill up with people looking for a good time”
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From Microsoft Bing:
What is the difference between Heaven and Hell?
The almighty God lives in heaven with angels. …
Heaven is for those who have done good deeds in their life on earth. …
Hell is for those who have done evil deeds in their life on earth. …
Heaven is a place of happiness and peace. …
When talking about heaven, it is believed that heaven is somewhere up in the sky, above the earth. …
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I personally think that Joy is unavailable in Hell.
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what is Joy?
Joy | Definition of Joy by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/joy
Joy definition is – the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires
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Have hear that hell is just a place without God. This is open to your own speculation.
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The next question? Where is hell? Is it in the middle of a volcano towards the center of earth? If so, will your spirit feel the burn?
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Think about the movie “the Matrix”…is this what heaven is? Pure speculation!
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Microsoft Bing says: The Bible also tells us that heaven is the dwelling place of God.
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you will either be with God, or you won’t. Being without God would be very lonely “forever”. Maybe this burn from Lucifer might ease the pain?
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my notes:
Discussion #41: What is the difference between Heaven and Hell? is it good vs. evil?
“the everlasting happiness with God that we call heaven
Hell is “a spiritual realm of evil and suffering”,From:
“Sheol”: Place of the Dead in the Old Testament
In the Old Testament “hell” is not specifically mentioned in name, but the word used in reference to the after life is “Sheol,” which is used to refer to the dwelling place of people after death.[5] In the Old Testament, “Sheol” is not just for the wicked, but it is also for those who lived righteously.[6]
From: M. Webster
Definition of evil
1a: morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED
an evil impulse
b: arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
a person of evil reputation
From: Microsoft BING
good
[ɡo͝od]
ADJECTIVE
to be desired or approved of.
“a good quality of life” · [more]
having the qualities required for a particular role.
“the schools here are good”
synonyms:
fine · of high quality · of a high standard · quality · superior · [more]
possessing or displaying moral virtue.
“I’ve met many good people who made me feel ashamed of my own shortcomings” · [more]
synonyms:
virtuous · righteous · moral · morally correct · ethical · upright · [more]
giving pleasure; enjoyable or satisfying.
“the streets fill up with people looking for a good time”
From Microsoft Bing:
What is the difference between Heaven and Hell?
The almighty God lives in heaven with angels. …
Heaven is for those who have done good deeds in their life on earth. …
Hell is for those who have done evil deeds in their life on earth. …
Heaven is a place of happiness and peace. …
When talking about heaven, it is believed that heaven is somewhere up in the sky, above the earth. …
I personally think that Joy is unavailable in Hell.
what is Joy?
Joy | Definition of Joy by Merriam-Webster
Joy definition is – the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires
Have hear that hell is just a place without God. This is open to your own speculation.
The next question? Where is hell? Is it in the middle of a volcano towards the center of earth? If so, will your spirit feel the burn?
Think about the movie “the Matrix”…is this what heaven is? Pure speculation!
Microsoft Bing says: The Bible also tells us that heaven is the dwelling place of God.
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Learning the Bible: God is not even limited to the framework of time. In Isaiah 57:15, He introduces Himself as “the high and lofty One that inhabited eternity, whose name is Holy.”
From: http://www.learnthebible.org/the-origin-of-god.html
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God replied, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you” (Exodus 3:14).
from: http://www.learnthebible.org/the-origin-of-god.html
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M.Y NOTES FOR DISCUSSION #40 (format)
1. Introduction (discuss philosophy and theology and eternity)
2. Short thanks prayer as we LEARN/Discuss your origin)
3. I will give an initial brief thought of the origin of God (no more than 1-3 min)
a. Pastor Eric has got the floor
b. Pastor Paul
c. Others who attend can share
4. Comments/question about the origin of God
Decide our topic for next month
To start off with…this in not a lecture
A. Have done some basic research and couln’t come up with a preferred response
B. There is talk about:
a. Jew
b. Muslims
c. And even Jihad (holy war)
C. remove berry vines and sneeze weedNone of these Gods fit the bill from my upbringing with my parents.
D. So it all goes back to the basic ELCA
E. Remember that Gods life is eternal, and in the beginning, or the beginning of creation, God thought that he would do something (like creation).
F. My thoughts on God is like a sheep in a herd
a. Am I in the right herd?
i. Holy wars with jihad
ii. Minimal compassion and mercy with Allah.
G. As aa retired soldier I don’t understand this holy war stuff
History of Gods:
Jews are waiting for the messiah
Those thinking natural selection
A Muslim thinking Allah is God and is one is he compassionate or merciful?
Jihad is the holy war
Witches
Healing
Resolving disputes
Talk of heaven/hell
Being a martyr
In the Quran and Hadith limits are set for wars
Jesus the son of God
Now are we all looking for life eternal?
I’m a beginning/end, stop start person, looking at the universe, It’s to understand where heaven really is? Or is heaven a state of being, or a different dimension?
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God is, by definition, that being from which everything else came but who Himself came from nothing else.
from: http://www.learnthebible.org/the-origin-of-god.html
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Discussion #40: what is the origin if God?
Note: can list talking points of how God affects you! In any reference please use links.
Hint:
1. Eternal – what does that mean?
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God has no origin, and is known in Christian Theology as ‘pre-eternal’ which means He has no beginning and no end.
FROM: https://www.answers.com/Q/Origin_of_god
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Seven times in the Bible, God declares Himself to be the first and the last (Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12; Revelation 1:11, 17; 2:8; 22:13). Nothing came before Him and nothing will exist beyond Him.
From: http://www.learnthebible.org/the-origin-of-god.html
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Who made God?
No one made God. He has no origin. That, after all, is an important part of what it means to be God. The historic creeds and confessions of the Church acknowledge this truth by declaring that God is eternal.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family-qa/the-origin-of-god/
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Did God have a beginning?
The Beginning – In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he …
Genesis 1 NIV – The Beginning – In the beginning God – Bible …
from:
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My Thoughts: I’m not a documented theologian, but I’m a schooled engineer who likes (though, not that productive with) statistics. You think about the origin of God and us mortals think there has to be a start….and I couldn’t even begin (Genesis) that would describe the origin of God. No one has really successfully have completed such. So I guess it falls back on the scape goat of being Eternal (more to come).
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“In the beginning,” writes the author of Genesis, ” God created …” (Genesis 1:1). In other words, at the moment when everything else had its origin, God the Creator was already present and active.
from: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family-qa/the-origin-of-god/
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I agree with this statement that “at the moment when everything else had its origin, God the Creator was already present and active.” Genesis records the beginning of life on planet earth and our human history. But even at the time of the end of the earth, God will always be present. If he wanted to, God could create and be tending to many earths (extraterrestrials!), but my own feeling is that he has a heart for this one. Jesus died for this one!
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Where did God come from? This is something I’ve always wondered about. When I look at creation, from the astronomical to the cellular level, it’s impossible for me to think that such beauty and complexity is the product of mere chance. But that still leaves one question unanswered: Who made God?
from: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family-qa/the-origin-of-god/
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It’s weird because eternity has no reference to time?
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Discussion #39
Importance of women in the Bible
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Off the top of my head;
1. Eve
2. Sarah
3. Delilah
4. Ester
5. Mary “of”
6. Ruth
7. Jezebel
I used this web site for more information: From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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3. Look out Sampson!
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3. Delilah used her beauty and sex appeal to influence the strong man Samson, and to discover the secret of Samson’s strength: his long hair. Does this show a temptation factor?
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1. Eve was the first woman, so could you say that a woman tempted the initiation of sin?
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1. Eve: What can we learn from Eve? Eve is a warning example of the danger of dwelling on wrong desires. Against God’s clear command, she developed an overpowering longing to take what did not belong to her.—Genesis 3:6; 1 John 2:16.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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1. Eve: Eve’s lesson was costly. God can be trusted but Satan cannot.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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5. Mary: Jesuses Mom
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2. Sarah: Who was Sarah? She was Abraham’s wife and the mother of Isaac.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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2. Sarah: Sarah gave birth to Isaac, through a miracle of God. From Sarah we learn that God’s promises always come true
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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2. Sarah: Sarah received an extraordinary honor from God. As Abraham’s wife, her offspring became the nation of Israel,
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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3. Delilah: The story of Samson and Delilah tells how lack of self-control can lead to a person’s downfall.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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6. Ruth: Ruth was a virtuous young widow, so upright in character that her love story is one of the favorite accounts in the entire Bible.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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5. Mary: Mary of Bethany and her sister Martha often hosted Jesus and his apostles at the home of their brother Lazarus. Mary was reflective, contrasted with her action-oriented sister. On one visit, Mary sat at Jesus’ feet listening, while Martha struggled to fix the meal. Listening to Jesus is always wise.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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7. Jezebel: Queen Jezebel was domineering, ruthless, and violent. She promoted Baal worship and the sexual immorality associated with it.
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4. Queen Esther used her influence to prevent the genocide of her own people.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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6. Ruth: Ruth’s reputation as a devoted daughter-in-law and a hard worker soon earned her a good name in Naomi’s hometown, Bethlehem. A wealthy landowner named Boaz was deeply impressed by Ruth and generously provided food for her and Naomi.
From: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/women-in-the-bible/
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3. Delilah: I think the Pointer Sisters had a view on how dominate a woman can be thriving on the lust of Men.
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I like all of these examples given! I would also like to throw in Deborah– who was a judge, or leader of Israel and led a successful military victory over enemy oppressors. Also, I would like to throw in the unknown Samaritan woman at the well. It is through her story that we are assured that salvation through Jesus is for women too! –Then she tells the Samaritan village what Jesus had done for her. This is my favorite “woman” story in the Bible.
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The fallen woman who worked along side Paul whose names are in the book of life Philippians (4:3)
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Great list of women in the Bible. Thank you Scriber!
One thing: I understand Eve a little differently. She was the smart one that the serpent had to convince to eat the fruit, while the man just went along. Also, without eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, would we even be here as human being with free will – and the ability to make decisions for good or ill?
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Discussion #38 (from the Intern Pastor Paul);
You hear the story about Jesus feeding the 5,000….”how could the L.C.G.S. do the same?”
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discussion #38: we need to feed them with the word of God.
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OK, but what’s the best way?
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do we need to give out bibles?
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How long is the time frame?
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So….what is the relationship between capitalism vs. Christianity? Do we just turn a bling eye and give?
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I was just “became the host” for tonight:
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Discussion #37; Paul, what do you want to do at Good Shephard? (Intern)
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Discussion #36 The Trinity!
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join the dance of Trinity
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three people from one person (early churcg)
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Paul didn’t explain the trinity
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This experience with Jesus is like meeting God.
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Remember that God is one.
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talking about overdosing from heroine. All people have a choice for love (kids) or drugs
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Discussion #35
In the news/media it’s been documented there is an issue between colored/foreign immigrant and the U.S. police department. So here’s the discussion; Biblically speaking (referencing the Bible), how do you interpret the use of extreme/deadly force against alleged suspects? Lets have an educated discussion referencing the Bible. For instance; Thou shall not murder (Exodus 20:13) or the golden rule (What is the Golden Rule? (Matthew 7:12; Luke 6:31) (internet). Please, no judging on this issue, let’s gather all the info. And discuss.
Remember:
1. What is the policeman’s duties.
2. What is this action affected you personally?
3. Police officers’ feelings
4. How did this conflict start?
5. Is this really a color/immigrant issue? Or actions?
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Post #1
If you are a security person, you see something unsafe, you address the situation and the suspect runs away, what should you do?
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Prov. 18:1
An unfriendly man pursues selfishness, and defies all sound judgment.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Selfishness
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post #2
Are people “gaming” the security system (golden rule)?
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Psa 78:17
When you “game” the system are you probing?
And they add still to sin against Him, To provoke the Most High in the dry place.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Provoke
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Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Provoke
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Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Provoke
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Psa 78:18
And in their hearts they put God to the testBy asking for food according to their [selfish] appetite.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Selfish
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Rom 12:17
Pay back to no man evil for evil. Take thought for what is right and seemly in every one’s esteem.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Esteem/type/wnt
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post #3
Act 17:6
And when they were not able to get them, they took Jason and some of the brothers by force before the rulers of the town, crying, These men, who have made trouble all over the world have now come here;
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Force/book/44
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post #4
Gen 50:17
You are to say to Joseph, Let the wrongdoing of your brothers be overlooked, and the evil they did to you: now, if it is your pleasure, let the sin of the servants of your father’s God have forgiveness. And at these words, Joseph was overcome with weeping.
Do we need to forgive?
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Forgiveness
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post #5
Acts 27:14
could the great wind be the police?
But after a little time, a very violent wind, named Euraquilo, came down from it with great force.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Force/book/44
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Post #6
It seems obvious that we need to forgive….or else we might be taken out of the book of life.
exodus 32:34
But now, if you will give them forgiveness–but if not, let my name be taken out of your book.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Forgiveness
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post #7
Psalms 37:8
“Refrain from anger, and forsake wrath.. Do not fret-it leads only to evil. (9) for the wicked shall be cut off…..”
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how will the wicked be “cut off”? Where is this grace thing?
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post #8
John 10:20
And a number of them said, He has an evil spirit and is out of his mind; why do you give ear to him?
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Evil?page=14
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post #9
Mark 7
Evil comes from within (7:21). All evil things come from within!
Should we speculate???
from bible reading for the day! 🙂
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post #10
Jeremiah 12
from May 11 BRFTD:
Question: Why does the way of the guilty prosper? (12:1). God replies; how will you compete? (12:5). The Lord has fierce anger against these people (12:13).. God is going to “pluck” them up from their land (12:14). After the plucking the Lord will have compassion on them (12:15).
So does it matter if you follow the golden rule (do unto others…) or will the Lord always show compassion by his Grace?
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Jude 1:16
These [people] are grumblers, discontented, proceeding according to their desires, and their mouths speaking pompous [words], {showing partiality to gain an advantage}.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/search?q=pompus&translation=all
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post #11
When was the Bible written and who wrote it? | carm.org
https://carm.org/the-bible/when-was-the-bible-written-and-who-wrote-it
by Matt Slick | Nov 22, 2008 | Bible General, The Bible
The written history of the bible (from my timid research) is between 4,000BC to 100AD (from 2 different sources). Not going to debate such statistics. I’m thinking as time changes so does (your) reaction. Just like Newtons (2) Law of thermodynamics…there is an equal and opposite reaction. So what gives? Is the force used equal to the initial oppressed force?
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post #12
Do you think some of this violence is related to money?
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1 Tim 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all evil, by which some, [because they] desire [it], have gone astray from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pains.
Then….are we then judging?
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Desire?page=7
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1 Tim 6:9
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and many unwise and hurtful lusts, which plunge men into destruction and ruin.
By giving “riches” to others are we “tricking them” so they can be snagged by the snare?
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Desire?page=7
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2 John 1:11
for the one who gives him a greeting [who encourages him or wishes him success, unwittingly] participates in his evil deeds.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/words/Success
For trading – Giving anything tangible doesn’t appear to be good:(.
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I think these instances of police brutality have to be considered on a case by case basis. It does seem to me that there have been instances where the police have used excessive force that has resulted in the death of the individual. I think systemic racism has something to do with these cases. Systemic racism is a result of not following the golden rule “treating others as you would like to be treated,” but instead assuming that a person is guilty or probably in the wrong just because of the color of his/her skin. Jesus Christ did not treat anyone according to the prevalent prejudices of the day. He spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well and offered her “living water” even though she was a Samaritan and a woman.
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Discussion #34
We are going to discuss faith. What does faith really mean? Please reply!
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Post #1
Define faith (Christian) through your own eyes!
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The spirit gives life (3:6). The Lord is the Spirit (3:16)
ref: 1 Corinthains
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What is Christian Faith? (Revised again) The Christian faith is the experience of living in a dynamic and new personal relationship with God through the transforming and indwelling power of Jesus in your body and life.
What is Christian faith?
http://www.christianityetc.org/faith.php
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we need to go back to our first T.O.T. and confirm that there is a God!
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understanding (and believing) in God’s uniqueness
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I think that faith is trusting that the Lord will work things out. However, the Lord’s plan for things working out is not necessarily what we have in mind for things working out!
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Post #2
Give an example on how you have been personnally “moved” by Christain faith
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post #2 (have a few enteries to make)
My story starts (December 1991) when I was in the hospital in Minneapolis recovering from my brain injury (June 1991). The snow was very healthy at this time. I them made a “deal” with God telling/asking him (with His help) when I get discharged I will always clear the snow!. What a motiational tool to use! (this issue can be debate and/or a paper can be written on this subject).
Note: At this time I was in a wheelchair.
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The times the Lord has answered my prayers are too many to count. Again, the answers have not always been the answers I wanted, or in the timing I wanted. But even if God doesn’t give us the answers that we want, he always give us grace and peace, and the courage to face the next day.
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How do we accept God’s response to our prayer? Through his grace? OR do we really understand what we are praying for.
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Hebrews 11:1 says “faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see.”
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Discussion #33
We are going to discuss forgiveness in the Bible leading towards our normal lives. If you have a question or concern about forgiveness please post your thought for others to learn from.
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Post #1
Why are we supposed to forgive each other?
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We are supposed to forgive each other, because God, through his son, Jesus Christ, has forgiven us. Ephesians 4:32 says “Be kind to each other, sympathetic, forgiving each other as God has forgiven you through Christ.”
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Post #2
Is forgiveness mesured (or on a humanity scale)?
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Are there some actions that are unforegivable?
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I am not sure if I understand this question. Certainly we forgive or we don’t forgive, I think you can’t kind of forgive. In terms of measure, I believe we are supposed to forgive our neighbor 70 x 7– which I think in biblical terms is an infinite number of times. Difficult to do!
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Oops! I answered this below in — are some things unforgiveable! So I will answer unforgivable here! I think in God’s eyes all sin is equal, but certainly intentional murder seems to most people as something that would be unforgivable. But there are stories where people are somehow able to forgive even someone who has murdered someone in their family. That takes an incredible amount of grace– but that is the grace that God shows us! He would forgive. I have heard people try to debate whether Hitler could be forgiven after killing over 6 million people. I have heard the argument, that if he was penitent and turned to the Lord, God would forgive him.
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Post #3
what should you do if you just can’t foregive?
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I believe we are called to pray for our enemies, even if we don’t feel like it. Praying for our enemies will hopefully change our own heart. Sometimes though, it helps to try not to think about the offense the person has done. Sometimes at least a temporary solution can be to just try to move on and not think about it.
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post #4
Check out Psalm 13: Question from David; how long, oO Lord, Will you forgive me? The context is being in evil times. Are we in that now? 😦
note: This was from my Bible Reading For the Day
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My translation says “forget me,” but I don’t think the Lord ever forgets us or fails to forgive us if we come to him. I think we may be in evil times until Jesus comes back?
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Post #5
tt’s written in Roman 12:19: God says vengeance is mine, I will repay! So does God forgive??
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How do you think God repays???
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I think in this passage, the Lord is trying to instruct us on how to act as Christians. We are not supposed to repay evil with evil– we are supposed to forgive. If there has to be vengeance, then it would be God’s to carry out. There is that saying “what goes around comes around.” I think that God is saying that we should not act in a vengeful way, but that people who do bad things may have a comeuppance or a consequence to their actions at the end. I think the Lord forgives all who ask for forgiveness.
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There is a good conversation going on here! Thank you scriber!
I was thinking about the story of the prodigal son. The father forgives the prodigal even before he can ask for forgiveness. We have a God like that – a God who loves, a God who does not hold grudges, a God who is more forgiving than we could ever be.
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post # 8
An issue just occurred today when I received an asking for assistance card from Special Olympics. Sure, I would like to help, but….my name might gets thrown into their data base bucket being marked as a contributor. This could mean more asking for assistance notes (which I don’t want or need). This type of situation has occurred multiple times in the past with different organizations. BUT…AM I KIND?. I would say yes (on the surface), but don’t want to be taken advantage of! Now where is my kindness with this thought?
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Had donated to the Special Olympics in Wisconsin….now the mailing list came down to Illinois
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I’m just over thinking this kindness thing! 🙂
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post #7
Recent posts have been focused on how an act of kindness affects you personally. Though, doesn’t sometimes your act of kindness create “issues” with your own personal life? So basically, you do a kind act to someone and you get “hosed”. Who or what benefits from this situation?
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why do we want to be kind? Are we thinking “what’s in it for me”? Don’t we want to improve the current enviroment?
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post #6
Does kindness relate to mindfulness? (This is like a college physiology 101 question!)
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Mindfulness come from the Buddhist tradition. Mindfulness is related to stress reduction. How? Now I have not created a database to scientifically prove this, but being kind helps (most of the time) the current situation you are in. In the next couple of days I will post a couple examples of how it has effected me personally :).
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I was in the drive thru line at MCD (buying cup of coffee). When I got to the window to pay I learned tht the drive head of me picked up my bill. That made me feel pretty good! (I only wish I would have ordered more! 🙂 (but that’s not being kind), Because of this act every couple of months I do the same. I’m paying it forward!
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mindfulness is non judgmental awareness, we need to pay attention to be kind.
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A mindful person will monitor his/her actions to make sure that he/she is being empathetic and treating another person as he/she would like to be treated.
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post #5 question.
How can we share out kindness to/with others?
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simple response: sharing a kind word, execute a loving smile. Another reason why I’m not so kind is that I stay away from hugs. Maybe this virus is telling us we are not sincere about the kindness of a hug? If you disagree please post your thoughts!
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We can share our kindness to others by being empathetic and putting ourselves in their place. We can do unto others as we would have them do unto us. We can think of what we can do to ease someone else’s burden and carry that out.
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post #4
I searched the web for kindness listed in the bible, and it gave me a readout of 40 occasions. The website for this information is:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-kindness/
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I have been reading the BRFTD (bible reading for the day (it’s also posted)). There are so many acts of kindness in the bible. If you would like to share…please document.
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In the Bible, the ultimate kindness is Jesus Christ laying down his life for our sins, and God the Father allowing him to do so. “Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” –John 15:13
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post #3: question
Does competitiveness interfere with kindness? Please explain your response.
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I just really don’t know? I watch a “ultimate fighting” match on ESPN where two people are beating each other up. Then when the match is over (if there is no knock-out) the two fist bump or hug. Maybe the kindness is to let your body take a beating by showing kindness to your opponent? OR You would think that you would want to win by beating your opponent to a pulp! But the question is…where is the kindness in that act? It probably goes back to this judging thing.
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I definitely think competitiveness can interfere with kindness. Sometimes I can get so wrapped up in something (winning a game for example) and I take my competitiveness too far and say something that is hurtful. I have to constantly check myself and make sure that I’m not taking things too far as I am a competitive person.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Jana’s comments! Taken to the next level, being competitive in the workplace or in a relationship may hinder kindness and communication.
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Post #2: question
define kindness
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refrain from harshness and judgement
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Seeing the humanity in others and showing compassion.
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Question: What is compassion? define please
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deeper understanding of how the body and heart work.
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We need to get away from the thinking “what’s in it for me”. Instead we need to think about what’s good for everyone else.
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I would define kindness as doing something for the benefit of someone else with no thought of expecting anything in return. Greater kindnesses have greater sacrifices. It is easy to be kind to my neighbor by picking up groceries on a beautiful May day, much more difficult when it is 20 below zero in January. In one’s thought life, I believe that kindness is making an effort to always think well of others and “put the best constructon on everything.” Sometimes trying to do this goes against our true nature.
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Excellent example for post #7. So now….are we measuring kindness? If so, who is the judge? (idea for next months topic).
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Post #1: question
are you kind?
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On the surface, I’m very kind. BUT the answer is NO because of my ongoing speculation…I judge people…this is an issue! 😦
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Now how kind is this? I personally request that some of my friends (I don’t know for much longer) go to the churches web site and post their comments about kindness. I’m hoping that this will create a “bigger net” experience. I just don’t know why (it seems as though I’m begging) to get some input from others. I’m out of lane and not being kind…sorry!
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I try to be, and I hope I am! I try to treat other people the way I want to be treated.
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I like to think that I am kind, but now that I am older, I know that I can think of times when I was not necessarily kind. I can regret those times, and try to move forward in kindness.
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Being kind is so much fun. Helping people and seeing the joy on their faces.
I try my best to be kind.
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What would you like to discuss the 23rd of February?
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let’s talk about kindness
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Juliian Of Norwich in the 1300’s
one idea to talk about
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have an issue that God is not angry. What’s the deal throughout the Bible where it’s documented he is in wrath?
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Discussion #30
Why do we have to die to get into heaven?
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Is this a REAL economic issue?
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test on your soul!
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The “Kingdom” is the prize!
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biblical thinking: spirit and flesh. So does your flesh go to heaven?
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there must be aa filter that blocks the flesh from entering!
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Is this a Johnny Cash song or what?
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You have to ask….why do I want to go the heaven?
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Is it to get something great?
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what’s in it for me?
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how does heaven relate to the reresection? is their bodies in heaven?
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The Bible is clear that nobody goes to heaven when they die . John 3:13 says, ” No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”. from google
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Discussion #29
The church is changing. We are experiencing the church in new ways! Though we only count the involvement in the old ways at 9AM Sunday morning. What’s up with the LCGS tally?
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After our monthly talk, I’m going to create a “template” showing how the congregation is “living and sharing Jesus”. Will give this to Pastor for the October/November church council meeting.
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Now I’m not a marketer,.
Pastor might be doing this himself…but…our congregation needs to let all know how we are “living and sharing Jesus” by having a good count of the people in the cars who are attending the drive-in worship.
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We should also document the # of people helped getting free food working with voices of inspiration
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A tally should also be created to document the success of “voices of inspiration” with the food services!
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Also, our churches missionary support!
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Discussion topic #28
Our topic: Many years, no one had to work on Sundays. Now a days before covid kids play soccer/football on Sunday morning, People want more entertainment with bands playing contemporary music instead of using the churches green hymnal. So what gives with all this changing? What do you think God has in mind?
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Talking points:
People might be thinking why?
a. It’s sort of like a break in the week
i. No work on the sabbath
1. People are using this extra time for their own good
2. Does this make God jealous?
b. People are wondering “what’s in it for me (WIIFM)?”
c. Lack of understanding
d. AND…. what does it matter?
I THINK GOD IS PROBABBLY A LITTLE BUMMED EVEN THOUGH HE IS SLOW TO ANGER
(even though he knows the end result)
Biblically this goes back to when God /Moses led the slaves out of Egypt
Idols and wizards were discussed in the old testament. Are we trying to practice to be a superstar (like sport stars) and in a way is this like worshiping someone else than God?
I think God is going to continue allowing us to struggle while people are increasing their religious faith
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8.25.2020: Pastor and myself discussed to topic about the change of culture that originated between WW\I & WWII. Our discussion lasted for about 30 min. We both agreed that next month a reminder needs to be sent out.
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Discussion topic # 27
Why do I come to church?
Big reason is:
other members.
(you seem to always be around good people)
so…what’s good??????
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Going to church is sort of like “coming home” The way I have grown up it’s like the beginning. I learned that most everything revolves about church..
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what if you don’t like your upbringing?
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Check out Hebrews 10:25 and larn that we should “not give up meeting together…”
from my cousin Jubilant
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Discussion topic #26
when you believe your sure it’s going to happen/and reality
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Discussion topic #25: Shifting priorities where people are less religious in general, or they identify themselves as “spiritual but not religious”. Thus, going to church is unnecessary. People are weary of “the Church” in general. So……what’s up with this?
Note: will be using the Zoom platform, the link will come from the Pastor
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How does the virus (COVID-19) affect peoples thoughts?
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If everything comes from God, why did God allow this to happen? Is this similar to the great flood? (though it’s not water).
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Question: what is spiritual?
so…where did this spirit come from? Do I have to buy this spirit? or is this like drinking a spirit (alcohol)? You know there is much wine/vineyard for grapes in the Bible. Soooo, are people coming to church with he hopes of planting a vineyard that will initiate a spiritual applications? (like growing grapes) or by blossoming other fruits? I just don’t know. 😦
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More definition: relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. Who control (yourself) this spirit? Still wondering how can this be? You might feel like you have some type spirit inside you….but isn’t this the Holy Spirit?
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Discussion topic #25
March 2020 was suspended this will be the topic for June 2020
We all have too much “stuff”, forgetting that we are stewards of this “stuff” from God. So….Does the American deam fuel greed?
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It sure seems to me that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness leads to collecting “a whole lot of stuff”
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It’s simple…you have stuff….you’re happy!
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It makes me happy when I can get “better” stuff for my collection
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Bitterness/jealousy occurs when you start comparing your “stuff” vs. your “friends” stuff
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In the book of Mark 1:16-20. 16 As Jesus passed alongside the Galilee Sea, he saw two brothers, Simon and Andrew, throwing fishing nets into the sea, for they were fishermen. 17 “Come, follow me,” he said, “and I’ll show you how to fish for people.” 18 Right away, they left their nets and followed him
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In Jesuses time the fishing nets were valuable “stuff”
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Discussion #24 Feb. 2020
When will the Cubs win another World Series?
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Does this have anything to do with Harry Carrey?
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What about the fans? it appears almost everywhere the Cubs play there is high attendance.
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For this question to be asked, won’t you need some valid facts to support this inquired question? I think you should have “amendments” to this question. Will list a few:
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what about the IVY….or the playing field….maybe some compassion?
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Does this relate to the vineyard??
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Instead of a date, don’t we need to look at some type of agenda?
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what about establishing a “base” by signing someone from the home town:
Kipnis, hometown Cubs near deal (source)
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don’t you think the cubs should be rewarded for not cheating like the Houston Astros
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Maybe “Theo” the GM has this all under control?
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Was there an issue with Joe Madden?
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ALSO have a new coach…Ross…the retired catcher
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cubs win their first pre-season game!
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just like MR. C…the restaurant owner, cubs win, cubs win. It’s going to happen….this is the year!
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Though, like the song says: Baseball time is hear again, you can catch it all on WGN. Well for this game I couldn’t!
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Discussion # 23 Jan. 2020
For coming to church:
“what’s in it for me?”
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looking to achieve eternal life!
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1. help to increase my faith
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going to try to jump on this “karma” bandwagon
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looking for that “edge” of life
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It’s enjoyable to be around and talk to “church people”
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It seems that most church people are nice people. Now, why is that?
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Sometimes it’s more of a family issue than a religious concern.
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Why not?
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It’s the thing to do on Sunday morning
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It’s like a ritual
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Is this what god wants? Read Hebrews 10:25
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Discussion #21
11 Tappers
Comments:
6. More and more we are moving to a technology-based religion. We are dependent on Google search to find God. God is everywhere even in technology.
7. People must go to work now. Many years no one had to work on Sunday. Sports (soccer) was /is played on Sunday morning now. Talking about entertainment; bring in bands, contemporary music instead for traditional music.
8. We have lost out CHRISTIAN TRADITION. We have a lost generation of church
9. The church is changing, and we are experiencing the church in new ways, but we only count the involvement in the old ways at 10AM Sunday morning
10. People are tired & have many things competing for their time!
11. It is easy to find reason to not attend church. Life has given us multiple choices of why not go and only one reason to go. WE NEED GOD
12. Lack of time, energy, and spiritual belief. Trouble with the proof of God
13. The lack of money to put in the offering, the lack of time (working 6-7 days a week) so we need a time to wash clothes, shop, etc. The culture has changed so that everyone doesn’t have the tradition of church
14. Shifting priorities where people are less religious in general, or they identify themselves as “spiritual but not religious”. Thus, going to church is unnecessary. People are weary of “The Church” in general.
15. God’s angel wanted to be God. God then sent him down to earth to be god of the earth (the devil) whose job is to have everyone follow him. LIES, LIES, & LIES!
Synopsis of the T.O.T. Discussion @ the “O”
On Tuesday November 26 @ 7:00 PM. Eleven (11) “tappers” discussed why people aren’t that compassionate following the “Good News” [in general]. Our dialog included that the church is CHA, CHA, CHA, CHANGING. Forty (40) years ago no one would even think that 11 peopple would be sitting in a tavern identifying the challenges (test) we have to share the Good News with others.
[Still under construction]
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TOT November 2019
Some ideas of why people are not sharing their spiritual religious practices:
1. This “IT” phenomena (internet/smart phones/texting) has brought many variables (another discussion(s)) into our religious practices.
2. The church (in general) is not the gathering place for the community to interact and build friendships.
3. We all have too much “stuff”, forgetting that we are stewards of this “stuff” from God! Does the American dream fuel greed?
4. Why can’t God feed (in some logistical way) to hungry? Or is this a test on us humans?
5. [in general] What’s in it for me? (like Karma?) (in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person’s actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences. (life after death?)
more talk tonight at the “O”.
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TOT November 2019
Since it’s stewardship time at LCGS, what do you think about tithing?
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TOT November 2019….idea!!
In general, why has “the God” thing lost interest in todays society. This is from local to throughout the world? Source of this question is from personal observation and “selected” (global) media stories in newspapers, magazines, and TV.
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Here is my hope for something new at Good Shepherd – Wednesdays. At noon – Bible study. After school – something for children. Early evening – food and fellowship and learning – movies, etc.
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TOT October
Why don’t we pray for something in our immediate Christian community.
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yes! very good question. Let’s do that more often – we will sometimes lift up local needs extemporaneously, but not often written in the worship bulletin.
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TOT October
Going back to the idea of a “prayer group”;
First question: why do we pray?
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TOT October
Question #2
When we pray, are we asking for something?
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TOT October (discussion #20)
Would like to see the movie night come back. With this, there are some issues:
1. When? dates and time
2. Is this for fellowship only?
3. What’s going to be show?
4. Does it need the “boards” approval?
5. Is it going to be advertised?
6. Equipment? (NETFLIX connection?)
7. Where at church (fireside room)?
8. How is this going to be funded?
9. For some shows, would there be a potluck before hand?
10. clean-up!
11. Any liability threats/security?
12. refreshments?
13. Senior members need to be involved too. (this will effect some content)
These are SOME issues, that a movie night, (that) would have to be addressed if we are looking at the “whole” congregation.
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why do we need a movie night? Is it fellowship?, cost?, or both?
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TOT September
Why I come to the LCGS:
“My neighbor invited me”
From: ************
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TOT September
The reason why I come to the LCGS:
I could write several pages on this subject, but will keep my response as short as I can. My sister *****&******, were both married at Good Shepherd when I was very young. This took place “decades” ago. Since then, the churches sanctuary kept coming back into my mind. When I finally got serious about going to church, my fist thought was the LCGS. From that moment through my spirit, it said simply welcome home this is where you ae supposed to be. That was back in 1993 or 94, and have never considered another place to worship. My only regrets are that I should have listened to my memory so much sooner and that I should have joined the choir years before I did. The people at the LCGS or wonderful. I have gotten to do works of faith with many members. The strength of these members is another reason why I come! All this goodness tell me that life is worth living. There is heart crushing sorrow for sure, but there is also jubilant. bright, succulent joy. Good Shepherd is faith. A Quote from Johnny Cash “Faith is a flower of light in a field off darkness that gives you strength to carry on”. This is why I come to Good Shepherd, its from the Pastor to every member all of you help me keep the faith!
Sincerely,
From: *************
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TOT September
Reason #3 is family
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TOT September
The reason I go to Good Shepherd is even knowing my God is with me 24/7. I need this “spiritual sense” the friendly people here (LCGS) provides. They are my family outside of my home. They are my support for any problems I may have. I can feel the love here.
by: *************
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TOT September
Reason #2: I come to “the LCGS” because of the people.
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TOT September
Sandy declared this morning:
She comes because of the churches mission.
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TOT September 2019
There are a couple reasons of why I come to “the LCGS” and I will post them throughout the month. First reason (Number 1): I was baptized at the LCGS in the 60’s.
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I attend The Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd, because of the warm friendly, faithful people that attend there. They “walk the talk” & believe in God!.
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August TOT 2019
Forgiveness can be really tough. Reason: most of the time (should have a % number), it’s because you feel that you got TOOK in this forgiving situation! Simple solution, in most cases, use this situation as a learning opportunity to confront this sin before it even happens. For future forgiveness opportunities this could be a win/win situation. Thus, you might be able to prevent a need for forgiveness. I’m thinking of physical sins (like stealing…abuse (Ten Commandments).
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This is from the Scriber’s cousin Janet. I am not sure if I am replying at the correct place, but this is what I think about forgiveness.
The Lord calls us to forgive 70 X 7. The old adage is “forgive and forget,” but it is easier said than done. In forgiving, a person can intellectually decide to forgive someone, but it may be difficutl to forget. In a small matter like a little white lie, or a slip of the tongue a person can forgive and with a little effort forget.
But in larger matters, if a person has been wronged it is harder to forgive. A person may intellectually decide to forgive someone, but the issue and its consequences can in no way be easily forgotten It is then that a person must rely on the Lord Jesus Christ, who has forgiven us, to help him/her forgive the other peson and to let the matter go as much as possible. The Lord’s help is needed so that thoughts don’t go toward getten even or revenge. Sometimes a hurt is so grievous that reconciliation on this earth may not be possible. But with the Lord’s help, a person can forgive in their heart and hope for reconciliation in heaven.
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August TOT 19′
How does your spirit react to forgiveness? How can you make sure your spirit is happy?
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would this be the evil spirit tempting to continue your hateful ways?
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TOT August
Was at the ice cream social last night, and of course, I had to bring up the topic of forgiveness. My response was that once you ask God for forgiveness you must also forgive yourself. There is also consequences for your sins. These would be mortal consequences, not spiritual.
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Will the Holy Spirit help you address the spiritual issues of a sin if you don’t experience any physical concerns?
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TOT August
Now for forgiveness, I have a question: What if you don’t have “faith” of the Holy Spirit? Does God forgive you?
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TOT August 2019
Currently I think of forgiveness as a financial matter…like forgiving a debt. Though, we also must look at forgiveness as an act of kindness.
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TOT July
Act 2:38 Tools
“Repent,” answered Peter, “and be baptized every one of you in the Faith of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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TOT July
As a number guy, would like to report that there are 74 bible verses about faith.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Faith
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TOT July
Is faith a family tradition?
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July TOT
we also practice:
sleeping
watching TV
drinks beer (some of us)
Eating/drinking
does this have anything to do with faith? So, what are we trying to “get” by practicing faith?
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T.O.T. July
Benefit for practicing faith
Ref: https://www.wanderlustworker.com/5-reasons-why-having-faith-is-so-important/
#1 — The focused power of faith breeds abundance
#2 — Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger
#3 — Faith helps you to discover your purpose in life
#4 — Faith trumps stress, anxiety, and fear
#5 — It acts as the pathway to finding solutions
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TOT July
Question: why practice faith?
Answer: better question….why not?
Just think about the potential advantages of practicing(religious) faith. Eternal LIFE….life after death. The master judge is God, so it appears to me (if you’re mobile) that you need to walk and talk in Jesus’s name. So I know there is a lot of debatable hypothesis about faith in Jesus (if that’s the religious faith were talking about), but walking with Jesus (understanding his doctrine) should lead you to a more “rounded” life. So……., do you want to miss out on this opportunity? I don’t think faith is a “one and done” process. How would you feel if St. Peter doesn’t open the gates of heaven for you? The Bible tells us to spread the “good news”….so we shall!
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TOT July
History:
From last months talk, John Calvin couldn’t really ID where the tree of good and evil (and tree of life) originated, but still had the faith of God.
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TOT July
Ref: https://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/how-do-i-put-my-faith-in-god.html
“Have a little faith,” people will say, but what does it mean?
If we look at the world, it tells us to believe WE can do it—to have faith in ourselves. This is contrary to what the Bible teaches, and the Bible is the source of our faith. Read Romans 10:17–faith comes by hearing, hearing the word
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TOT July
Ready a book titled Reason for flowers
They were discussing flowers used in Bali for festivals around the temple (Hindu) lasting three or more days. “flowers play a important role in death as they do in life”. With many flowers it’s a repeated act of faith!
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TOT July
history:
Why Practice Faith?
Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe.
-Saint Augustine
from the web: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
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TOT July
What’s faith? According to Webster:
faith noun
\ ˈfāth
a
: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
lost faith in the company’s president
b
(1)
: fidelity to one’s promises
(2)
: sincerity of intentions
acted in good faith
2
a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b
(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
(2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction
especially : a system of religious beliefs
the Protestant faith
on faith
: without question
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June T.O.T.
Tree Of Life
Most Relevant Verses
ref: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Tree-Of-Life
Genesis 2:8-9
The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:22-24
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”– therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.
Revelation 22:1-2
Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the middle of its street On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Revelation 2:7
Verse Concepts
‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.’
Revelation 22:14-15
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
Proverbs 15:4
Verse Concepts
A soothing tongue is a tree of life, But perversion in it crushes the spirit.
Proverbs 3:13-18
How blessed is the man who finds wisdom And the man who gains understanding. For her profit is better than the profit of silver And her gain better than fine gold. She is more precious than jewels; And nothing you desire compares with her.read more.
Proverbs 11:30
Verse Concepts
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, And he who is wise wins souls.
Proverbs 13:12
Verse Concepts
Hope deferred makes the heart sick, But desire fulfilled is a tree of life.
Genesis 2:9-17
Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers. The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.read more.
Genesis 3:1-24
Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'”read more.
Genesis 3:24
Verse Concepts
So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.
Revelation 22:2
Verse Concepts
in the middle of its street On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
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June T.O.T
Upon doing some reading (ref: http://www.old-earth.com/meaning-tree-of-life.html)
I read:
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
does this sum up what the tree of life is about?
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June T.O.T.
reference: https://www.gotquestions.org/tree-of-life.html
Question: “What is the meaning of the tree of life?”
Answer: The tree of life, mentioned in the books of Genesis and Revelation, is a life-giving tree created to enhance and perpetually sustain the physical life of humanity. The tree was planted by God in the Garden of Eden: “The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Genesis 2:9). The centrally located tree of life would have been easily accessible to Adam and Eve from any point in the garden.
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June T.O.T. Ref: http://www.artof4elements.com/entry/43/tree-of-life
Tree of Life
What is the meaning of the tree of life?
Who we are, Spirituality, Power of Mind, Mindfulness, Self Development Course, Articles, Poetry, consciousness, Symbols and Signs, meditation
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May T.O.T.
37 Miracles of Jesus in Chronological Order
reference: https://www.learnreligions.com/miracles-of-jesus-700158
# Miracle
1 Jesus turns water into wine at the wedding in Cana
2 Jesus heals an official’s son at Capernaum in Galilee
3 Jesus drives out an evil spirit from a man in Capernaum
4 Jesus heals Peter’s mother-in-law sick with fever
5 Jesus heals many sick and oppressed at evening
6 First miraculous catch of fish on the Lake of Gennesaret
7 Jesus cleanses a man with leprosy
8 Jesus heals a centurion’s paralyzed servant in Capernaum
9 Jesus heals a paralytic who was let down from the roof
10 Jesus heals a man’s withered hand on the Sabbath
11 Jesus raises a widow’s son from the dead in Nain
12 Jesus calms a storm on the sea
13 Jesus casts demons into a herd of pigs
14 Jesus heals a woman in the crowd with an issue of blood
15 Jesus raises Jairus’ daughter back to life
16 Jesus heals two blind men
17 Jesus heals a man who was unable to speak
18 Jesus heals an invalid at Bethesda
19 Jesus feeds 5,000 plus women and children
20 Jesus walks on water
21 Jesus heals many sick in Gennesaret as they touch his garment
22 Jesus heals a gentile woman’s demon-possessed daughter
23 Jesus heals a deaf and dumb man
24 Jesus feeds 4,000 plus women and children
25 Jesus heals a blind man at Bethsaida
26 Jesus heals a man born blind by spitting in his eyes
27 Jesus heals a boy with an unclean spirit
28 Miraculous temple tax in a fish’s mouth
29 Jesus heals a blind, mute demoniac
30 Jesus heals a woman who had been crippled for 18 years
31 Jesus heals a man with dropsy on the sabbath
32 Jesus cleanses ten lepers on the way to Jerusalem
33 Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead in Bethany
34 Jesus restores sight to Bartimaeus in Jericho
35 Jesus withers the fig tree on the road from Bethany
36 Jesus heals a servant’s severed ear while he is being arrested
37 The second miraculous catch of fish at the Sea of Tiberias
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May T.O.T.
reference: http://access-jesus.com/gods-miracles-html/
We need to discuss this!
1. what defines a miracle?
2. Isn’t God in control?
3. Or does the Evil one also do miracles?
All Miracles Are Not God’s Miracles.
Not all miracles come from God. God is all powerful, but not all miracles come from God. There are people that are not of God that can perform signs and wonders. Matthew 24:24 advises us that all miracles do not come from God.
Matthew 24:24, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
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For May TOT
for a listing of the miracles of Old Testament Bible.
reference:Access-Jesus.com
Bible Event: Miracles of Old Testament
Listing of Miracles Recorded in the Old Testament Bible
1. Creation. Creation of the universe, including plants, animals and humans (Genesis 1 – Genesis 2).
2. The Flood. The flood of Noah (Genesis 7, Genesis 8)
3. The Confusion of Tongues. Confusion of languages (tongues) at Babel (Genesis 11:1-9).
4. Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed. Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:4).
5. Pillar of Salt. Lot’s wife turned into a “pillar of salt” (Genesis 19:26)
6. Birth of Isaac. Sarah and Abraham Conceive a Child in their old age (Genesis 21:1).
7. The burning bush not consumed. Moses before the burning bush (Exodus 3:3).
8. The Miracle of Aaron’s Rod. Aaron’s rod changed into a serpent (Exodus 7:10-12).
9. The Plagues of Egypt. The ten plagues of Egypt (Exodus 7:20 – Exodus 12:30).
Water becomes blood
Frogs
Lice
Flies
Murrain
Boils
Thunder and hail
Locusts
Darkness
Death of the first-born
10. The Miracle of the Red Sea Parted. Red Sea divided; Israel passes through (Exodus 14:21).
11. Waters of Marah Sweetened. God answers Moses prayer for water in the wilderness (Exodus 15:23-25).
12. Manna From Heaven. Manna sent daily, except on Sabbath (Exodus 16:14-35)
13. Water From the Rock at Rephidim. Moses smites the rock and water came out (Exodus 17:5).
14. Fire Devours Nadab and Abihu. Nadab and Abihu consumed for offering “strange fire” (Levitius 10:1, 2).
15. Fire From the Lord Burns the People. Some of the people consumed by fire at Taberah (Numbers 11:1-3).
16. The Earth Swallows Up Korah and Company. The earth opens and swallows up Korah and his company. (Numbers 1:32).
17. Fire From the Lord Consumes Two Hundred and Fifty. Fire at Kadesh (Numbers 16:35-45).
18. 14,700 Slain By a Plague. People slain by plague at Kadesh for murmuring against Moses (Numbers 16:46-50).
19. The Miracle of Aaron’s Rod. Aaron’s rod budding at Kadesh (Numbers 17:8).
20. Water From the Rock. Water from the rock, smitten twice by Moses, desert of Zin (Numbers 20:7-11).
21. The Miracle of the Brazen Serpent. The brazen serpent heals the people bitten by the fiery serpents (Numbers 21:8-9)
22. Balaam’s Donkey Speaks. Balaam’s ass speaks (Numbers 22:21-35).
23. The Jordan River Parts. The Jordan divided, so that Israel passed over dryshod near the city of Adam (Joshua 3:14).
24. Jericho’s Walls Destroyed. The walls of Jericho fall down (Joshua 6:6-20).
25. The Lord Stills the Sun and Moon. The sun and moon stayed to allow the Israelites to avenge their enemies. (Joshua 10:12-14).
26. The Lord Casts Stones From Heaven. A Hailstorm destroys the enemy of the Israelites. (Joshua 10:12-14).
27. The Strength of Samson. The Spirit of the Lord gives Samson supernatural strength. (Judge 14-16).
28. Water From a Hollow Place of a Donkey’s Jaw. The Lord provides Samson water from an donkey’s jaw (Judge 15:19).
29. Dagon Idol Falls Before the Ark. Dagon falls twice before the ark. (1st Samuel 5:1-12).
30. Emerods (tumors) Befall the Philistines. Emerods on the Philistines (1st Samuel 5:1-12)
31. 50,070 Men of Beth-shemesh Killed by the Lord. Men of Beth-shemesh smitten for looking into the ark (1st Samuel 6:19).
32. The Lord Thunders a Great Thunder. Thunderstorm causes a panic among the Philistines at Eben-ezer (1st Samuel 7:10-12).
33. The Lord Brings Thunder and Rain at Harvest Time. The Lord responds to Samuel’s request with thunder and rain in harvest at Gilgal (1st Samuel 12:18).
34. The Lord Creates a Sound in the Mulberry Trees as a Sign to Attack the Philistines. Sound in the mulberry trees at Rephaim (2nd Samuel 5:23-25)
35. The Lord Kills Uzzah for Touching the Ark. Uzzah smitten for touching the ark at Perez-uzzah (2nd Samuel 6:6, 7).
36. King Jeroboam’s Hand is Withered. King Jeroboam’s hand withered to get him to repent. (1st Kings 13:4)
37. King Jeroboam’s Alter Destroyed. Jeroboam’s new altar destroyed at Bethel (1st Kings 13:4-6).
38. Miracle of Elijah and the Widow’s Oil Increase. Widow of Zarephath’s meal and oil increased (1st Kings 17:14-16).
39. Miracle of Elijah and the Widow’s Son Raised From the Dead. Widow’s son raised from the dead (1st Kings 17:17-24).
40. Miracle of the Drought. Drought at Elijah’s prayers (1st Kings 17, 1st Kings 18).
41. Miracle of Fire. Fire at Elijah’s prayers (1st Kings 18:19-39).
42. Miracle of Rain. Rain at Elijah’s prayers (1st Kings 18:41-45).
43. Elijah Fed by Ravens. Elijah fed by ravens (1st Kings 17:6).
44. Ahaziah’s Captains Consumed by Fire. Ahaziah’s captains consumed by fire near Samaria (2nd Kings 1:10-12).
45. The Jordan Divided. Jordan divided by Elijah and Elisha near Jericho (2nd Kings 2:7, 8, 14).
46. Elijah Carried to Heaven. Elijah carried up into heaven (2nd Kings 2:11).
47. Elisha Purifies the Waters of Jericho. Waters of Jericho healed by Elisha’s casting salt into them (2nd Kings 2:21, 22).
48. Elisha’s Curse Cause Bears to Kill 42. Bears out of the wood destroy forty-two “young men” (2nd Kings 2:24).
49. The Lord Provides Water to Jehoshaphat and the Allied Army. Water provided for Jehoshaphat and the allied army (2nd Kings 3:16-20).
50. Elisha and the Widow’s Oil Increase. The widow’s oil multiplied (2nd Kings 4:2-7).
51. Elisha and the Shunammite’s Son Raised From Dead. The Shunammite’s son given, and raised from the dead at Shunem (2nd Kings 4:32-37).
52. Elisha Cures the Deadly Pottage. The deadly pottage cured with meal at Gilgal (2nd Kings 4:38-41).
53. The Feeding of the 100 Men. A hundred men fed with twenty loaves at Gilgal (2nd Kings 4:42-44).
54. Naaman Cured of Leprosy. Naaman cured of leprosy, Gehazi afflicted with it (2nd Kings 5:10).
55. Iron Axe Swims the River. The iron axe-head made to swim, river Jordan (2nd Kings 6:5-7).
56. Elisha Knows the King of Syria’s Plans. Ben hadad’s plans discovered. Hazael’s thoughts, etc. (2nd Kings 6:12).
57. The Syrian Army Blinded. The Syrian army smitten with blindness at Dothan (2nd Kings 6:18).
58. The Syrian Army Cured of Blindness. The Syrian army cured of blindness at Samaria (2nd Kings 6:20).
59. The Dead Revived. Elisha’s bones revive the dead (2nd Kings 13:21).
60. God Sends Lions Into Samaria. God sends lions into Samaria because they did not fear the Lord (2nd Kings 17:25).
61. The Army Destroyed. Sennacherib’s army destroyed, Jerusalem (2nd Kings 19:35).
62. The Sun Goes Backward. Shadow of sun goes back ten degrees on the sun-dial of Ahaz, Jerusalem (2nd Kings 20:9-11).
63. Uzziah Struck With Leprosy. Uzziah struck with leprosy, Jerusalem (2nd Chronicles 26:16-21).
64. Three Hebrew Boys Delivered from the Fiery Furnace. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego delivered from the fiery furnace, Babylon (Daniel 3:10-27).
65. Daniel in the Lion’s Den. Daniel saved in the lions’ den (Daniel 6:16-23).
66. Jonah in the Belly of the Well. Jonah in the fish’s belly. Safely landed (Jonah 2:1-10).
67. The Sign Given From Gideon’s Fleece. Gideon’s fleece (Judges 6:37-40).
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In our confession of faith, we sometimes confess that “we are in bondage to sin and cannot free ourselves.” The forgiveness and new life in Christ frees us from our bondage to sin, and frees us to love and care for one another. We are still sinners, and will always be this side of the resurrection. But we are at the same time forgiven and freed to love.
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I was reminded this winter that physical pain can hold us in complete bondage to itself. I wasn’t able to do anything without experiencing excruciating nerve pain. Pain medications dulled the sharp pain and helped me to get by, but my bondage only ended when I experienced healing. And once I was healed (over 40+ days after my pain began) it was difficult to even imagine that pain.
Neither bondage not pain knows middle ground.
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*Neither bondage NOR pain knows middle ground.
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Another thought today, it’s really a question, is this boiler problem the church is having…does this mean we are “bounded” to worship in our activity center? So, what’s the boiler issue really telling us? We will discuss Tuesday night,
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Do we think God cares?
BUT
what about the convivence of the sanctuary?
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Just completed my 31 day (24hr.) Rhythmsrtar heart monitoring. So I was “bound” by 4 wires (attached to 4 electrodes attached to my chest). Having these wire was sort of like a physical bondage
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In the past month I have taken up learning to play the harmonica. Do I ever fell bound in the ability to inhale/exhale thru the harmonica to play notes….leading to a song! I have documented breathing “challenges”, so I’m taking “the next step” to help free me from this breathing bondage.
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After my head injury in the early 90’s, it sure seems that “rapid movements” create some sort of anxiety in my nervous system (causing me to tremor). This is the “bondage” that’s affecting me. If yo read this, please post and share your own story.
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