Our next TOT meeting will be the 26th of February. Look at the agena page (link is under the pages note)



We decided to discuss the theology involved in the “caravan” situation developing in Central America.  Some thoughts: (hints for discussion)

  • what does the bible say about helping other people?
  • why was this caravan formed?
  • what’s the expectation if you are on this caravan?
  • why do these Central American people want to come to the U.S.?  What do they want?
  • what about U.S. security?
  • Does a passport  mean anything?
  • Are these people inspired by law and order?
  • How is the asylum process proceeding for immigrants?
  • Is it OK for the caravan people to be assaulted by their own government?
  • what is the TRUE profile of all caravan riders?
  • what about do onto others as you would have done to you,  what gives?
  • Does being a Patriot out way the bible?
  • So, are we “profiling” the people in this caravan?   Is that right?
  • (more ideas/possible reasons (thoughts might be added)
  • Learned that Father Abraham was also a alien in Cannon
  • Note for comments:  Please stay away from/or reference any current political “talking points”.  Lets theologize in reference to the “Black Book”.  The Scriber will not post any data that does not have a good (scribers view) reference of a common sample size of the issue being discussed (no cherry picking).  Please use some numbers, remember “the scriber likes numbers”!  Can document ANY verse from the Bible.

21 thoughts on “Our next TOT meeting will be the 26th of February. Look at the agena page (link is under the pages note)

  1. Why did King Solomon build a wall?
    reviewing I kings 1-4

    why do they pray to the wall?

    From YaHoo:

    Best Answer: It’s not praying “TO” the wall. They are praying “AT” the wall. Understand the difference?

    The wall is the foundation stones to the original temple King Solomon built for God. And people pray there and place prayers in the wall’s holes and stone joints because it represents a closeness to God. Thats the simplified version and very accurate.

    This is Zion – God’s Holy Mountain – so you should understand why people would feel a closeness with God, praying at that wall. And many of the prayers are for the Messiah’s return and the rebuilding of the original temple which is hindered because the Muslims built their Mosques on that site centuries after the temple ahd been torn down and claimed it for their own.


  2. This verse caught by eye: (from the gateway bible)

    Matthew 10:16 English Standard Version (ESV)

    16 “Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.


  3. This is from the gateway bible

    Luke 10:29-42 English Standard Version (ESV)

    29 But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 And the next day he took out two denarii[a] and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” And Jesus said to him, “You go, and do likewise.”

    this story tells it all!


  4. That’s a good question, scriber. Ezra 9-10 is sometimes called one of the texts of terror in the Bible. The Bible includes a lot of bad things, like murder, rape, racism, and so on. That does not mean that we follow those texts. Ezra and the Israelite men apparently sent away their ‘foreign’ wives and children. What does ‘sent away’ mean? If they were sent out of Israel, they were likely sent to their deaths – sent into slavery, rape, abuse, or starvation in the desert – like Hagar and Ishmael, if God had not intervened to save them.

    The point is, we can find a lot of things in the Bible, but how we should apply those in our time and place is another question. Thankfully, Americans did not use Ezra to justify sending away our ancestors when they emigrated to the US 🙂 I would certainly not use Ezra to justify sending refugees to their deaths, just as I would not use Jepthah’s story in Judges 11 to justify people killing their children.


    1. When you write “but how we should apply those in our time and place is another question”, I ask who determines this situation? (of current affairs?). Second comment: Why was the book of Ezra included in the Bible? What’s causing all this change?


    2. If Ezra is coined “the text of terror” in the bible, why was it included in the readings? I read and have to ask, is building a wall on the boarder have a bible reference?


  5. My daily bible reading had directed me to the book of Ezra. Look at chapter 9; with foreign wives and children? How should this be interpreted?


  6. A few salient verses:
    Leviticus 19:33-34
    When immigrants live in your land with you, you must not cheat them.
    Any immigrant who lives with you must be treated as if they were one of your citizens. You must love them as yourself, because you were immigrants in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.

    Deuteronomy 10:17-19
    17 because the Lord your God is the God of all gods and Lord of all lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God who doesn’t play favorites and doesn’t take bribes. 18 He enacts justice for orphans and widows, and he loves immigrants, giving them food and clothing. 19 That means you must also love immigrants because you were immigrants in Egypt.

    Deuteronomy 24:14
    14 Don’t take advantage of poor or needy workers, whether they are fellow Israelites or immigrants who live in your land or your cities.

    Deuteronomy 24:17-18
    17 Don’t obstruct the legal rights of an immigrant or orphan. Don’t take a widow’s coat as pledge for a loan. 18 Remember how you were a slave in Egypt but how the Lord your God saved you from that. That’s why I’m commanding you to do this thing.


  7. Romans 12:19

    Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

    could sound scary!


  8. Psalm 24:1

    The earth is the LORD’S, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it.

    (creates a few issues for me….?)


  9. Psalm 122:7 May there be peace within your walls and security within your citadels. (Am I cherry pickin?)

    Now, who defines security?


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